LITR 5731: Seminar in American Minority Literature
University of Houston-Clear Lake, fall 2001
Poetry Presentation Index

Poetry Presentation led by Erin Gouner over

"For Virginia Chavez" by Lorna Dee Cervantes

            Recorder: Jennifer Thurik

            The poem "For Virginia Chavez" by Lorna Dee Cervantes, offers an interesting comparison between the different choices we can make in our lives. Cervantes sets up a parallel between two women, and shows the different paths they choose to take. The two women are friends when they were younger, and they shared many experiences together. They saw themselves as two indestructible wild women, making and breaking all the rules. However, in the second stanza, Cervantes begins to show the break between the two women. One woman is starting to take an interest in education, and she tries to enlighten her friend to the power of literature. The other woman becomes a mother instead.

            Cervantes has these two women reunite in the third stanza after the woman who became a mother is possibly beaten, but definitely has lost her children. The women reunite as friends despite the differences and years between them. Cervantes shows that even though the two women have grown apart—one with an education and the other with life experience—they can reunite because of their past experience and the new tragedy. This poem illustrates the hope of second chances. They have a second chance at friendship and there is hope for the uneducated woman.

            Even though this poem is about two women and the choices they make in life, this poem can be seen as options for an individual. When looking at the poem as two paths that one person can take, the reader can relate their own life to the poetry. Everyone has to make choices that can affect their future, and this poem illustrates the choice between education and ignorance.

 

Class Discussion

 

The presentation began with Erin giving background information over Cervantes. She asked the class to focus on objective 2a, which is to study the status of women, lesbians, and homosexuals as analogous to that of ethnic minorities in terms of voice and choice, and to consider "women of color" as "double minorities."

Erin thought that the lines of the poem were very long. It felt like the author was running out of breath. The images of twins, pregnancy, death, and the bookless room lead Erin to ask the class if they thought there was more than one woman present or was it two sides of the same person.

One student in the class thought that the subject and author got confused throughout the poem.

Another student told a personal story about having two names and that it represented a dual life of hers. This was a similar situation that Esperanza faced when she wished for another name.

Stealing and exchanging are common threads in the poem.

Pregnancy and growing pains in addition to miscarriages or abortions and the dying child represents a lost childhood that the subject of the poem must feel.

When women use their fists, they take action against something and think.

One student wondered what the tunnels mean.

Dr. White sees a relation to Push and when Ms. Rain advises Precious to abort her second child; sadly, it’s a choice a woman must make that is anything but casual.

Another student recognized that when a child makes decisions, it becomes harder, specifically when they are determining the extent of a life.

One student saw the obvious lesbian characteristics in this poem because it tells of a woman’s world. It also involves two women living together. The absence of men except for the two poets in addition with the casting off of the male idea of love contributes to the lesbian characteristics.

The reader assumes the women are lesbians because they are reading love poems to each other and walking while holding onto one another. The Christian point of view goes against lesbians because of homosexuals to reproduce.

Erin returned to her original question about the number of people in the poem and thinks that maybe the poet wrote this poem to the person she might have been; however, Erin does believe that there is only one person in the poem.

Maybe the author wanted an education but didn’t own a book. That would explain the bookless room. It the women were really close and reading poetry to each other, there would be books present.

Erin believes that maybe she is reading the poetry to herself.

Another student questions where the bookless room is.

Dr. White said that if you read the poem literally, they are not lesbians. One woman left the town and became educated whereas the other women stayed and remained uneducated. These two women started off together but were separated. This poem is a revisiting of the differences between educated and uneducated friends.

Erin thinks it’s important that poetry allows readers to make different interpretations based on the reader’s choice.

One student thought that the women were now back together like when they were children. They are ignoring each other’s differences.

Years separate where she is now and where she used to be.

Dr. White said that the reader doesn’t have to see the women as lesbians. The physical affection is what makes the readers draw that conclusion. Nothing else in the text suggests that. According to the lesbian continuum, women are allowed more physical intimacy than men are, but there is no clear-cut line crossing.

It appears she is reminiscing about a 15 year old sexual experience. Separation begins, but they can remain friends though they go their separate ways. The metaphor for the tunnels of warm fish allows them to remember their times together.

Another student agrees and compared the poem to Summer Sisters by Judy Blume. In that story, one girl is grounded but escapes as the other girl self-destructs.

Referring to the poem, one woman is the victim of physical abuse. The abuse is the reason why they got back together.

The women were gone, but were reunited when one was abused.

A discussion in the comparison of this poem with the song "Goodbye Earl" by the Dixie Chicks ensued. The themes in both pieces are common.

Dr. White stated that the woman without the education has no voice or choice, whereas the one that is educated does have choices available to her.

The beginning of reminiscing begins at the beginning of the poem.

The subject is starting over because her flat has no kids, no husband, and no books. She’s starting over from scratch.

There is a feeling of sorrow and unfairness for the character in the poem because she was abused and her children were taken from her.

Erin said that the ambiguousness arrives from the division of her potential and her reality.

Dr. White concludes that the women now have two lives, which used to be one. Two options grow from that.